8 thoughts on “Episode 143 – MAG 40 and IDPA World Shoot, by Jon Hodoway”

1. I have never heard such a bunch of innacuracies as the ones that John dropped in this podacast, and that is why I am putting my name on this one.

   Where do I start?

   A) IDPA creation, go and ask around to those guys that were shhoting IPSC at the time, Wilson created a new game because he was not selling any guns to the IPSC guys because he was not producing a hi-cap. Also it would be nice to know why 10mm does not compete in CDP?

   B) Equipment race, yes it was there when everybody went to hi cap, but I compete in limited with the same gun that I bought 10 years ago I am competitive with it, it just my skills and lack of practice that suck. When he says that you had to buy a gun every six months, I call BS on that one.

   B)six grand to be competitive in IPSC, BS. Go to the Brian Enos forum and see what the guns a selling for. Compare apple to apples since IDPA does not have an open division, you can have a top of the line limited pistol custom made for 4000 or buy of the shelf for 2000. How much do you think a nighthawk custom or wilson go for?

   C) Nobody shoots 8 and reloads, unless you shoot production of SS. Courses of fire are 32 round max, my gun holds 21 so we have to basically plan 1 reload.

   John really dissapointed me on this one, the amount of BS that I heard makes me wonder about all the rest of the stuff he said on other episodes. From now I am skipping over him, there other good podcasts out there.

   B)

2. Fred well if you did like the podcasts at least you didn’t go to sleep. First of all: thank you for taking the time to take issue with things that I’ve said I respect your vehement disagreement with my remarks.
   Out of respect for your comments I will attempt to address each one of them individually in doing so I hope that we can open a dialogue even if we disagree.
   A. Fred although I would not count Bill Wilson is one of my close personal friends I do know the man and I would say that I have the highest regard for him as a world-class competitor. I have shot against Bill and lost to him I might add and I will not attempt to put words in his mouth for what his motivation was at the time for creating IDPA. However I will rely on my own knowledge and what others have publicly stated as to why they helped Bill create the sport of IDPA. I would refer you to the founding members of IDPA Bill Wilson, John Sayle, Ken Hackathorn, Dick Thomas, Walt Rauch and Larry Vickers I think that each of these men wanted to return to the original roots that I PSC had originally been founded for.
   Cooper was the Founding President and Honorary Lifetime Chairman of the International Practical Shooting Confederation. However, he was critical of the way the IPSC departed from the original focus on practical weapons toward what he called rooney guns — highly-modified pistols which were not appropriate for practical daily service, and which were tuned to fire only ammunition with small propellant charges.
   In just as a quick point of fact Bill Wilson was famous for customizing guns all of his early work was built on other manufacturers frames. Bill also did custom work and still does on double stack 1911 style guns. The very first part that Bill manufactured hundred percent and under his own name was a magazine and even that was shared credit.
   With tongue-in-cheek I would answer your question about 10mm but it would just be BS.
   B.Fred I apologize if didn’t make myself clear but 10 years ago IDPA was five years old I was actually referring closer to 20 – 25 years when the equipment race was in full swing. I don’t think that there’s been the equipment race in the last 10 or 15 years on the contrary when you look at where the growth in I PSC has occurred the growth has been in the production class. The open class has actually shrunk as I understand however feel free to fact check me here.

   B (B). Again when I laid the number on the table of six grand I was referring to 1980 cost and what the value of those dollars would be equivalent to today. So, for instance if you were to look at the value of a house or an automobile in 1980 what would the equivalent house or automobile cost you in 2012. As a point of fact I would submit to you that the actual price of guns adjusted for inflation have come down dramatically since that time frame. I in fact agree with you about the cost of an open gun today one of the main reasons that the cost of guns has come down is the engineering has been paid for and production methods have greatly improved efficiency.
   C. Fred nobody is a big word here my mother taught that I should not use absolutes. I would suggest that most shooters use movement time to reload when shooting IPSC. However your results may vary I would be happy to suggest several YouTube videos if you have trouble finding them we can observe this phenomenon that I’m discussing.
   In conclusion I would like to apologize for any disappointment I may have caused and if you will provide me with a mailing address I will be happy to refund you all the money you spent listening to the podcast. I will also will intern provide you with a self-addressed stamped box you may return the entire BS I gave you for full credit towards another pod casters BS of the same or equal quantity.
   Fred I appreciate you signing your name to this and allowing me to respond to you I hope you realize that several of the things I said were meant in fun and I hope you received them in the spirit of one shooter to another as you cannot hear my voice or see my face I hope to see you on the range one day.
   Sincerely
   Jon Hodoway
   NRA 071279677
   IDPA A06956
   USPSA TY-55771

3. I found this from Ken Hackathorn about the founding of IDPA he talks about the risk Bill Wilson was taking because he was making a lot of money from USPSA

   Hackathorn: Well, by the late ‘80s, most of us had seen USPSA (United States Practical Shooting Association), that’s IPSC in the United States, go off on an extreme tangent that had very little to do with reality, in my opinion. I was fed up with it and I disassociated myself from it. Even Bill Wilson, whose company has made a lot of money based upon the 1911 and competition shooting, finally said, “This is ridiculous. I’ll start my own organization,” and he called me, along with some other people, and said, “We’re going to get [competitive shooting] back on course. Are you with me?”

   Bill, myself, Dick Thomas, Walt Rauch, John Sayle and Larry Vickers were the original founding board members of the International Defensive Pistol Association (IDPA). We wanted to get back to where you used real guns, the guns you carry for self defense. The end result is that IDPA today, from a competition standpoint, is probably the most relevant of all the self-defense type pistol shooting sports, I think.

4. Bob/Jon

   Firstly I’d like to say that I enjoy listening to your show on my way to work, it always makes me want to take the day off to go to the range. I get a kick (and the odd chuckle) listening to you and Jon banter, Jon’s voice reminds me of Penn form Penn & Teller (I think their tv series Bull$hit is fantastic).

   Anyway, to my questions:
   I would really like to make the trip to the MAG/40 coarse you are putting on in May 2012, but have a few questions.
   1) I live in Canada, would I be allowed to attend?
   2) I hold a Canadian restricted firearms acquisition certificate (FAC) – allows me to purchase handguns in Canada. What additional background check requirements would I need to obtain?
   3) Do you know if I could bring my own gun from Canada to the United States for this coarse? I assume that I would need a special ATF permit to import/transport the firearm.
   4) If 3 is not an option, can one rent or privately purchase a firearm/ mags/ holster for this coarse?
   5) Would this coarse allow me to apply for my CCW when I move to the USA?

   Thanks in advance for any help/answers that you can give me.

   Ralf

5. Ralph
   I am asking Mas about your questions stand by.

6. 1. No prob.
   2. No prob.
   3. No prob, Canadian shooters do it all the time. One call to Customs and one to ATF should get everything in order for him.
   4. Loaner or rental would be up to you, but he’d have to leave it with you at the end of each day. (Brady Act and all that).
   5. Depends on the state. TX and UT, for example, have their own CCW curricula. In many states, giving student my NRA instructor number is good enough.

   best,
   Mas

7. Mas/Jon

   Thank you very much for the info, I will contact customs and ATF to get the details.
   I would prefer to bring my own firearm if I could.

   Regards
   Ralf

8. Hope to see you there, Ralf.

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